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04-12-22 Radical Transformational Leadership: What does this imply? Guest Hosts Kirsten Gallo and Sudarshan Rodriguez with Guest Joshy Jose

In this episode, we explore the use of Radical Transformational Leadership tools in assisting some of our most marginalized people—commercial sex workers and their children. We discuss the importance of shifting from a focus on our rights to focusing on embodying values and how that shift can be the difference between a life filled with violence and a life of care and nurturing. We also describe the importance of community for all of us and steps for building resilient humans and communities.


Kirsten Gallo served as the head of the National Park Service Inventory and Monitoring Division. She held a variety of positions in the U.S. Forest Service and the National Park Service conducting natural resource monitoring and stewardship of public lands. She holds a doctorate degree in Ecology and has dedicated her career to conserving natural resources and demonstrating interdependence between humans and our environment. She began applying RTL tools and techniques in 2009 and created platforms for leadership in five federal government agencies and NGOs. Kirsten is now working to make RTL a global movement as she works in the fields of the environment, leadership, and finance. Specifically, she’s working to remove chemicals from our food systems and return to regenerative agricultural techniques to support the wellbeing of people and the planet.


Sudarshan Rodriguez is a development professional with experience in disaster management, environmental sciences, environmental economics, policy, and environmental law. He has worked with Dr. Monica Sharma as an RTL practitioner coach since 2010. After 22 years in the development sector with a variety of organizations, including the United Nations, grassroots organizations, policy think tanks, civil society and academia, he dove into the adventure of setting up the next generation development consultancy and social purpose enterprise called “RTLWorks”. Before founding RTLWorks, he was the Programme Director at Mahatma Gandhi Academy of Human Development, heading a center of the Tata Institute of Social Sciences, Mumbai located in Nagaland, India focusing on Livelihoods and Social Entrepreneurship.

He also delivers and implements Radical Transformational Leaderships ‘learning-in-action programs’ for business and non-profit organizations on different aspects of leadership development for sustainable change.


Joshy Jose plays the role of an integrator and is responsible for establishing strong accountability and program structures. He contributes to the conceptualization, construction, and strategic planning of programs that provide life-course solutions for children from vulnerable backgrounds, especially “Red light districts.” Joshy brings over 27 years of work experience in program design, innovation, and management. His expertise ranges from leading youth-targeted programmes to building learning systems and designing human-centred initiatives. In the past, Joshy held positions of Senior Director, Programs, Knowledge strategies, and planning. He also worked as a technical advisor for the youth and adolescent vertical of ChildFund International and was a part of the country management teams of The Leprosy Mission and Hope Worldwide. Joshy is a facilitator of the theory (and practice) of change and has been a consultant and Master Trainer for the “Developing Life-Skills” program in organizations across four countries. He is also trained in nonviolent communication and Radical Transformational Leadership. He firmly believes in in fostering children from vulnerable backgrounds “as our own,” and considers any kind of violence, especially violence against children, unacceptable.

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